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'Αρθρα Εσωτερισμού => Ροδοσταυρισμός => Μήνυμα ξεκίνησε από: Hiram στις Αυγούστου 19, 2007, 14:51:09

Τίτλος: Rosicrucians - A subgroup of the Order of Hermes
Αποστολή από: Hiram στις Αυγούστου 19, 2007, 14:51:09
Καλώς σας βρίσκω.Κάνω ποδαρικό στο Φόρουμ με το σχόλιο μου...
Ένα ενδιαφέρον άρθρο-κείμενο που βρήκα σε σάϊτ:


Rosicrucians
A subgroup of the Order of Hermes
By Anders Sandberg

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Copyright 1994 by Anders Sandberg. Version 2.0. This text mentions lots of things White Wolf has trademarked.

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The Rosicrucians are not a tradition, but a camp inside the Order of Hermes. After the failure during the middle ages of the false order, the Order was shaken to its foundations. Many mages simply left to other traditions or founded their own small groups. Many claimed that the failure was due to excessive contact with the mundane world, and retreated into pure study.

The Rosicrucians were a more radical camp of the order. They claimed the failure was not due to the contact with mundanes, but due to the fact that they had initiated almost anybody into the false order. This led to the appearance of diabolists, power-hungry or destructive mages. The Rosicrucians wanted to continue to spread the hermetic ideas among the sleepers, but now only to the "worthy", who could handle them. During the period of 1500-1600 the Rosicrucians organized themselves, slowly preparing for their grand plan. They allied themselves with some Ahl-I-Batin sects, and exchanged information with them.

To avoid the Technomancers they had invented a trick: to hide in the open. Their idea was to create as many false orders as possible, to confuse and annoy the Technomancers. In 1615 they publicised "Fama Fraternitatis" and "Confessio fraternitatis Roseae Crucis, ad eruditos Europae", two manifestos revealing their existence and some of their powers. They also contained a request to all the learned men in Europe to join them in their quest. Of course this lead to a lot of noise. The Traditions were furious. The technomancers were furious. The learned and not-so-learned men was curious, and wanted to join. Exactly what the Rosicrucians had planned.

Soon a lot of people was searching for the elusive Rosicrucians. Learned men was writing their own books about them, subtly pointing out that the author was a very wise man and certainly a prospective member. Some people mistook these books for secret messages from the Rosicrucians themselves, and began to believe that the author was one of them. Others were writing texts condemning rosicrucianism, and after a while there was hundreds of manifestos, books and texts about the Rosicrucians. The Rosicrucians were quiet. Soon there began to start rosicrucian orders all around Europe. Secret societies began to flourish, and the Rosicrucians (the real ones) silently took control over some groups, using them as bases of operations. The Technomancers simply couldn't stop them, because for every genuine order there was hundreds of copycats, and most of them was secret.

The Rosicrucian movement evolved. Today they are the secret masters of several Masonic groups and a lot of different secret societies. And they continually start new groups and movements. Using these as a front, they initiate the "worthy" into the secrets. Often they do not make them into full mages, preferring to diffuse their enlightenment into society. The orders are a very useful place to find new candidates for membership. They also try to contact as many powerful and wealthy patrons as possible, to protect themselves and expand the orders even more.

The Technomancers are powerless against all these secret groups. They can't eradicate them, since that would be very suspicious, and they contain too many influential people. They instead try to infiltrate them or subverting them in order to stop the Rosicrucians. The Rosicrucians counter by creating even more new groups, and luring the technomancers into traps. Whole groups are faked, just to fool them into doing something stupid. The technomancers try to discredit the groups, hoping to erode their enemies power base. They also start new groups themselves, hoping to lure the Rosicrucians to try to take them over, and then catching the infiltrators. This secret war have been raging among the secret societies for several centuries, and there are no indications of an end. Everyone is tangled up in a web of intrigue, and paranoia is rampant among all involved.

The Hermetic Order of The Golden Dawn was one of their most successful fronts. It initiated people in plain sight. Unfortunately it split up because of internal strife (and possible technomancer infiltration). This created a lot of new orders, some which evolved away from the Rosicrucians. Aleister Crowley used methods both from the Rosicrucians and the Cult of Ecstasy (to the Rosicrucians dismay). The splinter groups have influenced a lot of other groups, like wicca, chaos magic and lots and lots of "real" Golden Dawn orders. This has both helped the Rosicrucians, as there are now even more groups to hide in, but the unorthodox hermetics that have evolved are an source for embarrassment.

The Rosicrucians have amassed more mundane power and wealth than any other group in the Order of Hermes. Through the charity trusts they control through different Masonic groups, they can put pressure on banks and invest money as they wish. Many powerful and important persons are members in their far flung new of lodges and orders. Some of their groups function as traps, where the Rosicrucians collect people they gather incriminating evidence against for use as blackmail. By financial manipulations, political pressure and lots of contacts, the Rosicrucians are a force to be reconed with.

The Rosicrucians are the undisputed masters of subtle intrigue together with the Ahl-I-Batin (who taught them the basics). Their extremely complex plots have however an unfortunate tendency to unravel when confronted with reality, causing the participants to stumble in the confusing dark. Its not uncommon for their agents to believe they are working for the other side, or even that they are double agents. Some are double agents, turning the Rosicrucians ever more paranoid. The war against the Technocracy agents and lodges have become more and more absurd, with every participant desperately trying to stay on top while all the time trying to sort information from disinformation.

One area the Rosicrucians excel in is cryptography. The hermetic mindset, combined with their paranoia, have made them masters of secret communication. Beside obvious codes, they have developed hidden coded which are encoded into art, normal text or completely unexpected things like interior decoration or gardening. One common way hiding messages is to use symbols and references which are only meaningful for a Rosicrucian of high enough rank (this serves to hide important information from members of low rank).

Beside the more common conspiracy-oriented Rosicrucians there are more withdrawn members who spend their time helping Sleepers in need. These trace their origin back to a small group of survivors of the fall of the false Order, who wished to atone for their pride by helping people with their magick. They have continued their work, protected and aided by the conspirators. They sometimes use alchemical methods, but prefer to avoid suspicion by posing as physicians. However, one of their strict rules is to never accept any payment for their work, since true healing should be free for all in need. The healer Rosicrucians are supported by most of the Order of Hermes, especially the Alchemists and Cabalists. The conspiracy-oriented Rosicrucians support the healers with donations, protection and information, while they themselves use the healers as a kind of PR for the sub-tradition.

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(όποιος ενδιαφέρεται να το δει στην ιστοσελίδα)
http://hem.bredband.net/arenamontanus/Mage/roci2.html
Τίτλος: Rosicrucians - A subgroup of the Order of Hermes
Αποστολή από: Hiram στις Αυγούστου 19, 2007, 15:07:24
όπως καταλαβαίνετε,δεν πρόκειται για ένα άρθρο με το οποίο θα συμφωνούσε ο καθένας:και εγώ έχω τις ενστάσεις μου σε πολλά σημεία του άρθρου,με πρώτη και κύρια τη φράση του συγγραφέα στην αρχή: "The Rosicrucians are not a tradition, but a camp inside the Order of Hermes. " πράγμα με το οποίο διαφωνώ:ο Ροδοσταυρισμός είναι παράδοση -πέρα από Επιστήμη+Τέχνη (ή "βασιλική Τέχνη")...

Απλώς, το άνω άρθρο μπορεί να δώσει και τροφή για σκέψη,νομίζω...
Τίτλος: Rosicrucians - A subgroup of the Order of Hermes
Αποστολή από: Hiram στις Αυγούστου 19, 2007, 15:09:07
...και δυστυχώς, παρανοήσεις και παρεξηγήσεις πάντοτε υπήρξαν και θα υπάρχουν (προσθέτω επιπλέον)... :-\
Τίτλος: Rosicrucians - A subgroup of the Order of Hermes
Αποστολή από: Trithemius στις Αυγούστου 19, 2007, 15:51:38
Φίλε Hiram, κατ' αρχ'ην να σε καλωσορίσω στο φόρουμ και να σου ευχηθώ καλή και χρήσιμη παραμονή :)

Σίγουρα το άρθρο που παραθέτεις (η αλήθεια είναι πως δεν το είχα υπ' όψιν μου) είναι ενδιαφέρον και δίνει άλλη μια άποψη για τις απαρχές του Ροδοσταυρισμού. Η αλήθεια είναι πως τουλάχιστον στα δικά μου μάτια, περισσότερος αγώνας γίνεται για να "στείλουμε" τις ρίζες ενός τάγματος βαθιά πίσω στο χρόνο, παρά για να γνωρίσουμε το τι πραγματικά αυτό το τάγμα εκφράζει.

Aν και το ανωτέρω άρθρο δεν με εκφράζει και πολύ, καθώς ταυτίζει σε υπερθετικό βαθμό τους Ροδόσταυρους με κάθε λογής ραδιουργίες, μυστικές συφωνίες, πόλεμο ταγμάτων και ελιτισμό, πάραυτα αν κι εφόσον έχεις τον χρόνο, καλό θα ήταν να μας απραθέσεις και την Ελληνική μετάφραση του κειμένου για να μπορεί να διαβαστεί από κάθε ενδιαφερόμενο.

*παρανοήσεις και παρεξηγήσεις όντως θα υπάρχουν πάντα, ιδίως όταν κάποιος δεν ψάχνει και δεν αφιερώνει χρόνο στην έρευνα και εμμένει σε κάτι που βρήκε στην αρχή ή σε κάτι που τον "βολεύει" :)
Τίτλος: Rosicrucians - A subgroup of the Order of Hermes
Αποστολή από: Hiram στις Αυγούστου 20, 2007, 21:08:42
Aν και το ανωτέρω άρθρο δεν με εκφράζει και πολύ, καθώς ταυτίζει σε υπερθετικό βαθμό τους Ροδόσταυρους με κάθε λογής ραδιουργίες, μυστικές συφωνίες, πόλεμο ταγμάτων και ελιτισμό, πάραυτα αν κι εφόσον έχεις τον χρόνο, καλό θα ήταν να μας απραθέσεις και την Ελληνική μετάφραση του κειμένου για να μπορεί να διαβαστεί από κάθε ενδιαφερόμενο.

Σίγουρα,πολύς κόσμος αναλώνεται στο ευχερές "χόμπυ" της κατασυκοφάντησης.
Ωστόσο,μια ελληνική μετάφραση και καλή γνώση της αγγλικής (κουτσά-στραβά τα καταφέρνω)και καλή διατύπωση των μεταφρασμένων φράσεων (όχι και εύκολη δουλειά,για κάποιον άπειρο σε αυτά). Θα το προσπαθήσω πάντως (έστω με μικρά κείμενα,για αρχή).

Και ευχαριστώ για το καλωςόρισμα! ;D
Τίτλος: Rosicrucians - A subgroup of the Order of Hermes
Αποστολή από: Trithemius στις Αυγούστου 20, 2007, 21:34:33
Κανένα πρόβλημα. Αν πάντως χρειαστείς κάποια βοήθεια με τη μετάφραση, εδώ είμαι :) (μέσω π.μ. φυσικά ;))
Τίτλος: Απ: Rosicrucians - A subgroup of the Order of Hermes
Αποστολή από: Rose στις Αυγούστου 22, 2007, 17:01:44
Αγαπητέ Hiram,

διαχώρισα το άρθρο και άλλαξα τον τίτλο του thread, έτσι ώστε να μπορούμε να το προσεγγίσουμε ξεχωριστά... Είναι όντως ένα πανέμορφο άρθρο, που καταθέτει αρκετή εμπειρία πάνω στο ρεύμα του Ροδοσταυρισμού, και ευχαριστούμε για την κατάθεσή σου.

Ο κάθε άνθρωπος προσεγγίζει μέσα από το δικό του πρίσμα τον Ροδοσταυρισμό. Άλλοι επιζητούν την θεραπεία, άλλοι το κυνήγι του θησαυρού των μυστηρίων, (μέσω του Ερμητισμού, της Αλχημείας και της Μαγείας), και άλλοι προσδοκούν να γίνουν οι φύλακες του παιχνιδιού της εξέλιξης της ανθρώπινης συνείδησης... Όσο πιο μακριά οραματιζόμαστε, τόσο πιο μακριά ταξιδεύουμε, και τόσο πιο πολλά γευόμαστε...

Οι Αυθεντικοί Ροδόσταυροι, είναι φύλακες των Ιερών Μυστικών, των Θείων Νόμων που διέπουν την Δημιουργία... Ο κύριος ρόλος τους είναι η ανίχνευση και η εκπαίδευση ταλέντων, έτσι ώστε να συμβάλουν στην αέναη μεταστοιχείωση αρνητικών κοινωνικών ρευμάτων σε θετικά, με στόχο την εξελισσόμενη θεραπεία και Ελευθερία της Ανθρώπινης Ύπαρξης...

Το άρωμα του Ρόδου ας αναγεννά την ψυχή μας. Γένοιτο!